hogan. then he easily won. who says pro wrestling is fake? it's like when my dad and i used to arm wrestle when i was seven. i also won. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. >> so what will bob filner do for his next job? wet t-shirt contest, josh? i'm jake tapper this is "the lead" this could be mayor bob filner's last hour in office. the city council its meeting at this moment to decide the fate of the san diego democrat. but will taxpayers be stuck with the bill? in other national news, the fort hood shooter was today convicted on all counts. now the question before the court should he be put to death. isn't that exact plea what ly w wanted in the first place. how his victims are reacting.

senseless, shocking arrest after two teens allegedly pummelled an elderly world war ii vet to death for simply minding his own business. why all these random acts of violence? good afternoon, everyone. i'm jake tapper, welcome to the lead. we'll begin with the national lead. a moment some people have been waiting for, for weeks. right now, we are waiting to here if bob filner is out of a job. filner has been under pressure to step down after being accused of sexually harassing 18 women wecht are watching as the san diego city council is reviewing a proposed mediation deal for filner's resignation. those are live shots from inside city council. we will know the details soon. "los angeles times" is reporting one sticking point would leave the city, in other words, taxpayers picking up the tab for filner's legal fees. inside city hall right now where the meeting is taking place,

casey, have you learned anything more about the terms of this agreement? >> we have not, jake. those terms will be revealed to the members of the city council once they go into their closed session. right now what you are seeing is them preparing for an open session. there is a couple hundred people who have gathered in the city council chambers, supporters and opponents of mayor filner's. some have been arguing the past hour or so in prep ration of this meeting. they want their voices to be heard before the city council makes its decision whether to accept this proposed settlement or not. one thing we do know, one of the members of the city council. kevin faulkner involved in the negotiations. put out a statement saying that his intention in this mediation process has been to get the best deal he could for san diego taxpayers. clearly there will be a financial component to this pro posed settlement. also he talked about san diego needing to end this gridlock that city is in. this nightmare that the city has been going through. so obviously that include the

proposed recognition of mayor filner. beyond that. specific details we do not know. we expect to know those after the closed session and the city con si council talks about it. >> casey, how long is the closed session expected to last? >> we have no idea. it could be a rubberstamp kind of thing. all nine members of the city council have publicly said, they want mayor filner to

terrorist attack. >> all right, joshua, thank you so much. our thoughts and prayers are with you and your wife. reid rubenstein, an attorney for fort hood victims and their family. reid, thank you for being here. we appreciate it. >> how do the families you have spoken to feel about the verdict? >> pretty much like josh. they're pleased. it is certainly not the end of their search for justice. but to paraphrase "it is the end of the beginning." and now that the government has twisted itself into pretzels over the past four years to ensure that major hasan gets his due process. we're looking forward to making sure the same thing is done for his victims. >> let's talk about the death penalty on the table with the

verdict. heave wants t he wants the death penalty. he wants to be a martyr. is that a consideration at all for the victims and their families that you speak with? >> it is split. for some it is. for some it isn't. there are quite a number who would look to see him pay the ultimate price and go wherever he is going to go. others as you heard take a slightly different view from our standpoint. though we are focused on, on the victims and caring for them. hasan made it clear what he was going to do for years before he did it. he has made it clear in documents he released during the trial why he did it. the army knew. the government knew. the fbi knew within moments after he was identified as the shooter. why he did what he did. there is no doubt. and the charade about work place violence is over it is team to move on and take care of the victims. >> explain to me why you think it is the military ignored taking any serious action even though they knew of his belief

in jihad and other things leading to this incident. >> it is interesting. the senate did an investigation, a very extensive investigation in 2011 issued a report. the senate blamed political correctness for the fail your to act. the webster commission report done on the fbi's failure came out in august of 2012. and it also in the mates that political correctness was the fbi's failure to notify the army of hasan's communications with anwar alawaki. it gives an indication why this happened. >> when people say political correctness, i don't understand what that means. i know plenty of muslims. not many of them would engage in anything like what he was doing. i don't know what there is to tiptoe around. if somebody is looking at chat rooms that call for jihad that is a whole separator to. i want to move on to one thing.

we have a minute left. the issue whether the pentagon should take a second look and classify this as an act of terrorism, as opposed to work place violence. what does that mean, tangibly to the victim thousands, what's the difference other than they would get purple hearts? >> that is a big difference. that has first of all the recognition they have been denied up to now. it has certain benefits that go with it. there are certain benefits. and a letter that was sent by some congressmen to the pentagon, lays out in very clear detail, the difference in benefits that they received. but at the end of the day. this is about recognizing their sacrifice. and admitting that this was a terrorist act. look -- the government has acknowledged it's terrorism. the national counterterrorism center called this mass terrorist attack. >> don't think there was any question. >> it's time for the government to play straight. it's time for them to tell the truth. tell the victim the truth. be straight with the american people. this was terrorism. should be treated as such. victims should be treated accordingly. >> reed rubenstein, thank you

for joining us. we hope the clients achieve the closure they need. coming up, an 88-year-old world war ii veteran was beaten and left for dead allegedly by two teenagers. the motive, police say there wasn't one. >> plus, espn backs out of a film project on head injuries in professional football. did the nfl commissioner have anything to do with espn changing its mind? . a man and his truck... and a broken fence... and a lost calf. ♪ and the heart to search for as long as it takes. and the truck that lets him search for as long as it takes. ♪ the all-new chevy silverado. the most fuel-efficient v8 in a pickup. strong for all the roads ahead.

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battles of the pacific war. he died from blunt head injuries. this appears to be another random attack on the heels of the murder of an australian baseball player in oklahoma because the attackers were bored. according to police. bobbi belton joins us by phone, the daughter-in-law of delbert belton. our thoughts, prayers, condolences are with you. how is your family holding up? >> well, as well as can be expected. part of it because my husband has been ill and in the hospital. he's paralyzed from cancer on the spine. so we have been dealing with that. and then to have this happen, and we come to the hospital and have to tell him that his father was brutally beaten, it was difficult. >> how did you find out? what happened to your father-in-law? >> a friend of his that was with him that night called me from the hospital.

and then -- the -- the doctor that was in the icu called and was, gave me more information about, you know, the injuries. and probably wouldn't survive the night. and -- so. >> tell us. >> that is how we found out about it. >> tell us about your father-in-law. we know he was a world war ii veteran. what would you look people at home to know about him? >> well, he had lots of friends. bill and delbert weren't that close. but he lived here, you know we live in the same town. and we saw them off and on. >> have you been given any sense of why this happened to your father-in-law? why he was beaten? what the motivation was for the attackers? >> speculation was because the kids wanted money. and of course my feeling is about -- many teenagers today is -- they feel like they can do

or take anything from anybody and do whatever they want. no matter the consequences or whatever. and i just think that's so sad. and he was not a person -- if you came up to him that looked like he had a lot of money. i don't know how much money they thought they were going to get from him. it is just a sad, sad situation. >> what have the police or investigators told you about the alleged perpetrators? >> nothing. i haven't talked to them at all. they told me nothing. >> all right, bobbie belton. thank you, our thoughts and prayers with your family once again. >> thank you. >> coming up next on "the lead" what job is 40 times more deadly than the average. the government rankings are out. what topped the list. and he has won golden globes and at least two oscars. that doesn't mean "batman" fans want ben affleck to actually play batman. what's behind the batfleck backlash?

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best director. why to cast ben affleck as batman isn't flying with some fans. the red line may have just wavered. this week the world was forced to come to terms with images and allegations of what looks to be a chemical weapon attack in syria. size and scope of the violence we are talking about is enormous. according to activist groups, as many as 1,300 people are reported dead. it is the most horrific chemical attack since the days of saddam hussein. largest one day casualty report since the bloody war began in syria. a warning to our viewers, the video we are about to show you is deeply disturbing, whether vietn vietnam, bosnia or syria. it has the the ability to change the perspective of the people and their presidents. we show them to you now. many of the dead we are talking

about are children. their body lined up aby their mothers. more disturbing video. itv news obtained video from what they say is a kred cull independent syria filmmaker showing victims, women and children, lying their whey fell, seemingly suffocated. assad's forces launched the attack. the government as usual denies it. president obama is now responding to the allegations in an exclusive interview with cnn "new day's" chris cuomo. >> we are right now gathering information about this particular event. but i can say that unlike some of the evidence that we were trying to get earlier that led to a u.n. investigator going into syria, what we have seen indicates this is clearly a big event. of grave concern. and you know we are -- already in communications with the entire international community. we are moving through the u.n. to try to prompt better action from them.

and we have called on the syrian government to allow an investigation of the site because u.n. inspectors are on the ground right now. we don't expect cooperation. given their past history. and, you know what i do believe is that although the situation in syria is very difficult. and the notion that the u.s. can somehow solve what is a sectarian complex problem inside of syria sometimes its overstated. >> but delay can be deadly, right, mr. president? >> there is no doubt that when you start seeing chemical weapons used on a large scale -- and again we are still gathering information about this particular event -- it is very troublesome. >> there is strong proof they used them already in the past. >> then that starts getting to some core national interests that the united states has. both in terms of us making sure that -- weapons of mass destruction are not proliferating as well as needing

to protect our allies, our bases, in the region. this is something that is going to require america's attention and hopefully the entire international community's attention. >> senator mccain came on "new day" very strong on this. he believes the u.s. credibility in the region has been hurt. that a situation like syria, that he believes there has been delay. and it has led to a boldness by the regime there. that in egypt what many believe was a coup wasn't called a coup that led to the problems we are seeing there now. do do you think that's fair criticism? >> i am sympathetic to senator mccain's passion for helping people work through what is an extraordinarily difficult and heartbreaking situation. but what i think the american people also expect me to do as president is to think through what we do from the perspective of what is in our long-term

national interest. you know, sometimes what we have seen is -- that folks will call for immediate action, jumping into stuff, that does not turn out well. gets us mired in very difficult situations. can result in -- us being drawn in to -- to very expensive, difficult costly interventions that actually breed more resentment in the region. >> the red line comment that you made -- >> yeah. >> about a year ago this week. >> right. >> we know since then there are thing that qualify for crossing the red line. >> chris, i have got to say this. when we take action, let's just take the example of syria. there are rules of international law. and you know if the u.s. goes in and attacks another country without a u.n. mandate and without clear evidence that can be presented then there are

questions in terms of -- whether international law supports it, do we have the coalition to make it work, and -- you know, those are considerations that we had to take into account. >> do you believe it was enough? >> well, this latest event is something that we have got to take a look at. >> so the president calls this something we have to take a look at. a closer look, i am joined by the former senior director of president obama's national security council. he has been critical of how the obama administration has handled the crisis is. of course you are with the atlantic council. barry, the first mention of the red line in syria. that was a year ago this week. you said the white house "has painted itself into a corner." you obviously were not with the administration anymore. explain the situation there and now. given that red line a year ago. >> well i think it is a little bit of a worse sich wags now. we put the credibility of the united states on the line on a very specific issue, chemical weapons use. which is very hard to get at

directly. that is if we fry to use air power to get at the chemical weapons. the bombing would spread and probably result in more casualties. if we try to use ground power, well, no one wants to own the syrian conflict by putting u.s. ground forces in there. it is a very difficult situation. there are some things we can do. at this point the obama administration has not shown the mote vags motivation to do those things. >> i read accounts of president obama making that remark with people in the white house saying it was off the cuff, not planned. is that your belief? >> i read the same account too. this is the president of the united states making an official statement that is watched not just by those parties to the syrian conflict. but watched by our allies all over the world. because we have security commitments, treaties with other countries. it's watched by come pelt topet china, russia, and adversaries like iran. if these countries see that the united states makes a statement and doesn't back it up or backs it up in a lawyery way.

this can lead to very damaging consequences for the united states national interests. >> you did a war game recently in which you played the president. tell us about that. i thought the was interesting. >> well, small scale war game. i was playing the president. i had joint chiefs as advisers. they recommended not getting involved in the syrian conflict. i said so does that mean that you think time is on our side? things are getting better as time goes on. absent our involvement or worse? they actually agreed. you are right. things are getting worse. i said doesn't that mean that we need to do something so that our interests are not further damaged. >> lasty, barry, what is the something? what should we be doing? >> limited uses of military power to achieve desired effects. those uses would be launching cruise missile and air strikes to take away assad's use of the air so that further humanitarian suffering is limited. we could also launch strikes against assad's military and make it very clear. that these strikes are in direct response to his massive use of

chemical weapons. and additional strikes would beep forthcoming if additional chemical weapons are used. third, i think we can do more to aid vetted rebel groups and change the bal anls of power in the conflict. weave can do the three things. >> we have 20 second left. are you disappointed with president obama? >> disappointed that we make a statement even if it wasn't sort of staffed and fully planned. and then we don't back it up with something serious. because i do think that has damaged, that damages our interests on a global scale. >> all right. thank you very much. definitely have you back as this plays out. hopefully it won't get any worse. i can't say with any confidence that will be the case. coming up next on "the lead" professional football is a tough sport. may be a tougher business. did the league pressure espn to bail out of a hard-hitting documentary. plus, they were out on a run. they began racing time after a bus hit a jogger. tell you about soldiers whose heroism is hardly limited to the battlefield.

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welcome back to "the lead." time for our sports lead is the nfl putting the squeeze on espn. the sports channel pulled out of a planned documentary working on with pbs frontline which will investigate head injuries in pro football. league of denial comes out in october. but frontline release aid preview of the special earlier this month. >> these players come down with dimentia and then alzheimers and then they're gone. >> "frontline" investigates what the nfl knew and when they knew

it. >> you can't go against the nfl they'll squash you. >> you can't go against the nfl they'll squash you. executives from the nfl, nfl network and espn met last week. the nfl expressed their displeasure with the documentary and then poof, pbs announced espn was pulling out. writing, espn released their own statement, that said, because espn is neither producing nor exercising editorial control over the front line documentaries there will be no co-branding involving espn on the documentaries or their marketing materials. the use of espn's marks could incorrectly imply that we have editorial control. as we have in the past we will cover the concussion story through our on reporting. an nfl spokesman tells cnn, quote, it is not true we pressured espn, the lunch was reap quested several weeks ago by espn.

we meet with our business partners on a regular basis and this was not unusual. bring in james andrew miller author of "those guys have all the fun inside the world of espn" and author of the story in "the new york times." so, first of all, jim, i have to say, the idea that espn would cooperate with "frontline" on a documentary about the nfl and head injuries doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me because espn relies upon the nfl for everything. of course the nfl is going to squash them. >> i think that's true. starting in 1987, espn began to construct a serious journalistic enterprise. and one wonders why, 15 months ago they decide they'd needed "frontline." the statement they released yesterday sound like the statement they could have released 15 months ago explaining why they didn't decide to get in business with "frontline." the whole idea who would have control and co-brangding.

espn created a big problem 15 months ago when they decided to do this. >> are there indications the frontline documentary will be tougher than the reporting espn has done on head injuries and the nfl? >> it seem that one of the key value propositions to this documentary is to create a narrative to, which is to take a lot of the reporting that's been done by many news organizations over the years, and put it together in a very compelling picture. i'm not sure i haven't seen the documentary. not sure what is actually new. i know there is some new material. but when you take all of these elements and put it together in a powerful narrative that has much more impact. now given what happened over the past, 24, 48 hours. a lot more eyeballs are going to be watching as a result. >> one of the spokesman of the nfl players' association told us, quote, given the media landscape we are in, player access is as valuable as access to the games. we will have to make a longer

term decision if we don't feel our broadcast partners are willing to tell the truth. so, that's the mrplayers' association. they obviously i would think want there to be attention to the well-being of their players. could espn lose accessing to players because they backed out of the documentary? >> i doubt it. i doubt it. espn at this point is -- you know, oxygen for the players. and for the league. it's very, very important. it is a worldwide brand. 8,000 hours a year, a lot dedicated to the nfl. that would surprise me. >> great reporting. thank you for coming on. >> thanks. >> like they have niedermayer from "animal house" enforcing the dress code. the league fined robert griffin iii $10,000 for wearing a shirt that says "operation patience" on the sideline. he was fined for wearing unauthorized apparel.

they wonder why people call the nfl the no fun league. the shirt a not so subtle reference to rg 3s come back from a knee injury. griffin and his coach have different opinions on when he should return. coming up next on "lead" no issue can divide a nation of the important one of who should play the latest batman. warner brothers choice has people scratching their heads. wondering did they see daredevil? they could become the next will farrell or follow in the footsteps of sherri o'terry. who is joining the cast of ""saturday night live"." the great outdoors... ...and a great deal. grrrr ahhh let's leave the deals to hotels.com. oh my gosh this is so cool... awesome! perfect! save up to 30% plus an extra 12% off with coupon... now until labor day. only at hotels.com

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now time for the pop culture lead. for comic book nerd, sum of all fears, very yacasting armageddo. ben affleck, the caped crusader when batman and superman join in the upcoming man of steel sequel. the internet dazed and confused after the casting was revealed. there are some supportive of the next big step in the oscar winner's comeback bid. others wasted no time, why they're not all that into ben. >> thank you! thank you. >> late last night on the interwebs, new jersey senate candidate cory booker was confronted with a divisive question, the most pointed in his campaign thus far. if elected, he was asked, will you stop ben affleck from playing batman? twitter demanded an answer. and booker, well he did not hesitate. sorry, he tweeted, i'm pro-ben.

forgets mets/yankees, democrats/republicans, the masses are divided over news that broke late thursday night. ben affleck will play batman. warner brothers put out the signal. in a flash the internet was abuzz. a 2015 sequel to this summer's "man of steel" will cast the 41-year-old oscar winner opposite henry cavel, the first both d.c. comic icons will share the silver screen. >> batman. batman. batman cookie jar. wait, what? no! >> get struck by lightning. stabbed 1,000 times. ben affleck playing batman. why couldn't it be lightning? >> through twitter, vine, news headlines, people are choosing sides. from "the new york times." >> handsome wealthy man with a male companion, can ben affleck follow that. >> to the mean makers on tumbler who cam up with images like

these it's clear batfleck is taking over. >> the original team is not attached. zach snyder directing. it kind of, stirred up emotions with all of the nerd everywhere. >> reporter: can this guy really fill the cape once worn by george clooney, christian bale, michael keaton. affleck showed chops in dazed and confused as the villainous obanion. but the debate about whether he is fit for gotham city. >> he know it bad -- enough to be batman. he's ben affleck. >> give him a shot. >> part of the issue, affleck played a superhero, not a well received one. you remember "daredevil" right? >> that's a character from the marvel universe. batman is a character from the dc universe. you will create all kind of

problems in the comic book space-time conten yum. >> a box office flop. and affleck is behind the recent smashing success of "argo." >> i fly into tehran. we all fly out together. >> he looked pretty hot if you ask me, "argo" i dig the hairy look. let's have a hairy batman. >> on the other hand there is gigli. >> i'm the bull. you are the cow. >> how will he suit up as batman? >> when you become a trending topic it will do something for your brand. in this case the movie. the movie is not out until 2015. already everybody is talking about it. great free premotion. >> stay tuned. same bat time. same bat channel. >> i feel like the luckiest guy in the world. >> for the record, if john hamm wasn't going to get the role, i'm pretty cool with affleck. there is a petition on change.org asking for, begging, pleasing, with warner brothers to boot ben from "batman."

last count, nearly 12,000 signatures. break out your flannel shirts and bugle boy jeans and crank up the lisa lobe. the 90s are coming back in the remake of the angst ridden cult classic "reality bites." >> i just don't understand why things just can't go back to normal at the end of the half-hour like on "the brady bunch" or something. >> don't worry, pretty soon they will. ben stiller reportedly behind a half-hour comedy series based on the 1994 movie. stiller directed and starred in the original. the tv veron will be set in the 90 and center on an aspiring film maker and slacker friend looking to find themselves after college. my guess, the target demo is self-centered, jen xors who look to entertain themselves by making pop culture references. i don't know any one look that. live from new york four new cast members on "saturday night

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lives on the battlefield probably never expected to have their skills put to the test during a morning jog on capitol hill. that's what happened when the men found themselves playing witness to a gruesome accident. what they did next proves the heart of a hero doesn't change with the scenery. bonded by their uniforms, these four soldiers spend their mornings together pounding miles of pavement on their runs around the nation's capital. yesterday that routine took a dramatic turn. >> i turned my attention to the intersection. as the bus went by i seen an individual on the ground, lying in the fetal position. >> a fellow jogger, civilian had been hit by a bus in this intersection and was bleeding heavily in the street. >> we all just went for a dead sprint. >> their battlefield experiences immediately kicked in. >> first thing i saw was he had arterial spurt, compound leg fracturing. he was losing blood fast.

>> where was blood coming from? >> left leg. lower left leg. >> how bad was it? >> pretty bad. lack i said arterial spurt. every time his heart pumped it was shooting blood out of his leg. >> the soldiers are not meddin s -- medics. russell thought back to the moment in afghanistan when his colleagues were attacked. >> colonel sustained a head wound. army sergeant shot through the neck. army specialist shot through the ankle. so we treated them. got them out of the kill zone. got them on the helicopters. and then tried to do the best we could to end the fight. >> this time, their only enemy was the ticking clock. >> lieutenant, tell me what is going through your mind at this point? is it all just instinct. are you reacting the same way you would if you were in baghdad? is that what is going on? are you just focused on, troops, here is a wounded soldier, let's do it? >> definitely.

pretty much everyone here, has been through some type of combat, life saving training. pretty much everything was just instinct. we knew exactly what was going on. we knew exactly what to do. >> they used what was at their disposal. >> asked me to help him out. >> somebody took off the t-shirt. >> yes, sir, gave us the t-shirt. we got next to the individual. we were applying the shirt above his knee to apply the tourniquet. hey, sir, what is your name. found out his name was tim. only information we got from him. continued to give him casual conversation. brace yourself. this may hurt. >> the victim hasn't had a chance yet to thank them. other than his first name, the soldiers don't know anything about him. so you saved his life? >> that's speculation. i can't say that, sir. >> you may have saved his life. >> may have. >> think he would have lost a great deal of blood. [ indiscernible ] if they